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Obituary: Ariel Sharon - A Bulldozer in War and Peace

ViestiKirjoittaja Annukka » 12.01.2014 08:45

Obituary: Ariel Sharon - A Bulldozer in War and Peace

By TOVAH LAZAROFF

LAST UPDATED: 01/11/2014 14:27

Sharon was always consistent in his desire to secure Israel’s borders and was often photographed with a map in hand.
Former Israel prime minister Ariel Sharon gazes at the West Bank
Former Israel prime minister Ariel Sharon gazes at the West Bank Photo: Reuters

Israel’s indomitable lion Ariel Sharon, a bulldozer in war and peace, died on Saturday, eight years after suffering a massive brain hemorrhage that left him in a coma from which he never awoke.

Perhaps the most revered and often reviled of the country’s politicians, perceived alternately as a peacemaker and a warmonger, for decades his actions as a military commander and statesman shaped both Israel’s self-perception and the world’s image of the Jewish nation.

From the time he fought in Latrun as a young soldier to save Jerusalem in 1948 to his orchestration as prime minister of the Gaza pullout in August 2005, Sharon was at the center of the modern nation’s historical moments.

And like the country he served for most of his 85 years, his life was marked by controversy, deep loss, harsh defeat and miraculous victory.

Sharon was always consistent in his desire to secure Israel’s borders and was often photographed with a map in hand. During his tenure as the 11th prime minister he was determined to redraw those borders based on his vision of the new strategic and demographic concerns of the 21st century. In this pursuit he was not afraid to tear down his own physical, ideological and political works. His health failed him before the task was finished.

Strikingly, throughout his life, either or by chance or design, much of what Sharon built or cherished was lost, destroyed or tarnished. His ability to sustain loss made him fearless in his public pursuits.

Sharon the soldier had seen his friends die in battle by age 20. The family man buried one son and two wives. The gallant military leader with a white bandage across his wounded forehead played an instrumental role in capturing the Sinai desert, only to return it to Egypt years later as a politician.

The spiritual father of the settlement movement, Sharon claimed to know the driver of every crane building homes in the territories. But then, as defense minister, he was charged with the razing of the Yamit settlement in Sinai in 1982 and, as prime minister, he ordered the destruction of the Gaza settlements in 2005.

The leader of the Likud Party he had founded in 1973, Sharon catapulted it in 2003 from 19 to 40 Knesset mandates. But then, in November 2005, he crippled it by bolting to form the centrist Kadima Party, taking a host of prominent politicians from across the spectrum with him.

And as the avuncular elder statesman widely – though by no means universally – perceived to know better than his rivals how to steer Israel forward, he was well on his way to a third term in office when his stroke on January 4, 2006, halted his plans to shepherd the nation into a new dawn.

With his white hair, heavyset build, grandfatherly smile and the reading glasses that occasionally slipped down his nose, his image in his later years as well his conciliatory words belied his reputation as an authoritarian political leader and a brutal military commander.

For all the Israelis he alienated throughout his larger-thanlife career, however, he was a man generally well-liked on the most personal levels – friendly, courteous and solicitous.

Sharon never left the spotlight for long after he came to national prominence as the dashing war hero of the 1950s.

He was lauded as a master military strategist in the ’60s and ’70s. In the early ’80s as defense minister, he was blamed for the failures and excesses of the Lebanon War as well as the massacre of more than 700 Palestinians in the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camp at the hands of Christian Phalangists.

As opposition leader in September 2000, his visit to the Temple Mount was used by the Palestinians as a pretext for the second intifada, and he was often a scapegoat for the continued conflict. Five years later, when he was felled by illness, his sudden forced departure from the political stage was perceived as a crisis for peace.

The sabra son of an immigrant Russian farmer who preferred his own counsel to the communal decisions of his neighbors, Sharon turned his own similar preference for solo leadership into a diplomatic platform of unilateral disengagement from the Palestinians as prime minister. It was a move that broke a deadlocked period in the conflict. But Sharon’s seemingly swift turnabout from the right-wing leader who coined the famous phrase “The fate of Netzarim is the fate of Tel Aviv” to one who evacuated the Gaza settlement of Netzarim, left his dizzied supporters gasping at the betrayal.

Sharon liked to describe himself first and foremost as a Jew and then as a farmer. In addressing the United Nations General Assembly in September 2005 at the pinnacle of his popularity, he said, “My first love was and remains manual labor: sowing and harvesting, the pasture, the flock and the cattle.”

Circumstances intervened, he said, and instead his life’s path led him “to be a fighter and commander in all Israel’s wars.”

Now, he told world leaders, he had a different purpose. He was reaching out to the Palestinians in “reconciliation and compromise to end the bloody conflict and embark on the path which leads to peace. I view this as my calling and my primary mission for the coming years.”

Hard-line right-wingers who had long believed the prime minister was one of their staunchest advocates felt abandoned by his sudden shift to the Center. His opponents argued that Sharon was simply an opportunist, willing to pay any price and betray any ideal in the pursuit of power. Some said his political shift was designed to deflect corruption allegations, others that he had gone soft.

But Sharon himself had long said that he was not married to one specific path or ideology.

“There is no advantage to the person who steadfastly maintains the same position over the years just for the sake of consistency,” he said, as early as 1977.

In his autobiography, Warrior, he referred to himself as a “pragmatic Zionist,” a man of action rather than words.

When he believed Jewish settlements created security, he constructed them. Persuaded that a security barrier was needed, he built that too.

Zalman Shoval, a former ambassador to the US and a long-time adviser, said Sharon was foremost “a pragmatist.”

He belonged to a small group of similar-minded soldiers- turned-statesmen such as Moshe Dayan and Yitzhak, Rabin whose primary consideration was security, rather than ideology, said Shoval. “So you never knew how they would act under certain circumstances.”

Proactive, rather than reactive, in this single-minded pursuit of his goals, Sharon pushed forward with a confident winner-take-all attitude.

Back in 1974, The Jerusalem Post predicted that this style of charging into battle would take him far.

“Arik Sharon only knows frontal attacks. That is how he fought the Arabs, that is how he captured the Likud and that is how he intends to storm and capture the State of Israel,” the Post wrote then.

It was not by chance that in the 1970s, solders in his unit were already chanting, “Arik, king of Israel.”

His longtime friend, journalist Uri Dan, said Sharon loved challenges: “When he was told a mission was impossible, that is what he wanted to do.”

Like his biblical hero, Joshua, who blew down the walls of Jericho with a ram’s horn, Sharon bulldozed his way past all military and political obstacles.

In the army, he dodged charges that he failed to follow orders and relay accurate information to his superiors. In politics, he brushed off his image as a has-been politician who attacked both friend and foe.

Teflon-style, he survived unscathed allegations of financial corruption.

Former Likud MK Bennie Begin once said acerbically of Sharon that he was as likely to head their party as he was to become a tennis champion.

But at the nadir of Sharon’s checkered army career, after he was forced to resign as defense minister in 1983 following Sabra and Shatilla, Dan made a different prediction.

“Those who rejected [Sharon] as chief of staff got him in due time as defense minister,” said Dan. “And those who rejected him as defense minister will get him in due course as prime minister.”

Sharon said that his steadfast determination was rooted in his childhood work on a farm.

In an op-ed article for the Post in 1999, Sharon recalled a day he spent with his father at Kfar Malal.

“I was working out in the field with my father on an intensely hot day as thirst plagued us and thousands of flies and gnats buzzed around us, getting into our eyes and noses. We, hoes in hand, continued to work. When my father Shmuel, of blessed memory, who was an agronomist, agricultural scientist and also an outstanding farmer, saw I was getting tired, he would stop a minute, point towards the ground we’d covered and say, “Look how much we’ve already done. And with renewed strength, we would continue work.”

It was this mind-set, wrote Sharon, that came to characterize his own indomitable approach – to daily life and to leading Israel.

“This has always been my way: to appreciate what we have already accomplished and to look forward optimistically.

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Sharon has been the greatest politic during my staying in Israel. Only I did not like his moving the settlements.

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Palestinians: Give Us Jerusalem, or No Peace

ViestiKirjoittaja Annukka » 13.01.2014 19:17

Palestinians: Give Us Jerusalem, or No Peace

Monday, January 13, 2014 Ryan Jones

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The Palestinian leadership at the weekend again signaled how far we are from reaching a bilateral, final status peace agreement, the determined and ongoing efforts of US Secretary of State John Kerry notwithstanding.

In a previous report, Israel Today pointed out how Israelis see control over Jerusalem as the next, and most significant stumbling block on the road to peace.

Polls over the past decade have consistently shown that an overwhelming majority of Israelis are opposed to surrendering to the Palestinians the eastern half of their ancient capital, including the Old City and its Temple Mount.



But on Saturday, Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas reiterated that he would be signing no peace deal with Israel that didn't include explicit Palestinian sovereignty over East Jerusalem.

When Kerry returns to the region next Sunday, "he will be told that occupied East Jerusalem [sic] is the capital of the state of Palestine, and without this there will be no peace between us and Israel," Bethlehem's Ma'an news agency quoted Abbas as telling visit Arab officials from Jerusalem.

"Unless it is mentioned clearly and marked in big fonts that it is the capital of the state of Palestine, there will be no peace with [Israel] and I want them to hear this," he continued.

Abbas strongly suggested that his regime is simply going through the motions in the current round of US-brokered peace talks, and has no intention of reaching a compromise agreement with Israel.

When the current count of negotiations reaches its predetermined end-date in a few months, "we are free to do whatever we want," Abbas said. "The time frame is limited and not open, and our unanimous position isn't secret."

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The truth is that Arabs do not want to make any kind of peace with Israel.

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Abbas vs Facts: Jews 'Weren't Attacked' In Kusra

ViestiKirjoittaja Annukka » 13.01.2014 19:24

Abbas vs Facts: Jews 'Weren't Attacked' In Kusra

Despite clear video evidence to the contrary, PA chair claims 'cultured' Kusra residents 'didn't hit' beaten and abducted Jews.


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By Dalit Halevi, Ari Yashar
First Publish: 1/13/2014, 8:57 AM



Victim of attempted lynch at Kusra tended to by IDF soldier
Victim of attempted lynch at Kusra tended to by IDF soldier

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Documented evidence doesn't stand in the way of Palestinian Authority (PA) Chairman Mahmoud Abbas's claims regarding the attempted lynching of 25 Jewish residents of Samaria by an Arab mob from Kusra last Tuesday.

In talks with Arab residents of eastern Jerusalem on Saturday, Abbas declared "the residents (of Kusra) caught settlers and besieged them, and they did it without tanks, rockets and planes. They gathered around them and told them: you won't leave here until the Palestinian liaison (officers) arrive."

"They (the Arabs) didn't hit them," claimed the PA head, "for we have rights and culture, and aren't like them attacking trees and mosques. They (the Arabs) turned them (the abducted Jews) over without injury to the liaison. Maybe this will be a lesson in morals for them."

Abbas's wild claims come in direct opposition to documented fact, as video filmed by Arab residents clearly shows Arabs chasing the Jews, stooping to pick up rocks, and hurling them at the running Jews. The video, despite being edited to suit Arab propaganda needs, also shows the serious wounds inflicted:



The statements by Abbas, who in the past has had unfortunate encounters with historical fact, including a recent occasion in which he claimed Jesus was a Palestinian, are also belied by death threats uttered by the "cultured" residents of Kusra just before the lynching.

Residents of Esh Kodesh have revealed that two days before the attack, someone uploaded a video of Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists training to attack Israel to the town's Facebook page. The video was accompanied by threats, including "you will burn and you will not remain on the earth."

The threats were sent by anonymous users with fake names including Kusra Net, apparently indicating the threats originated from Kusra, where the attack took place.

Testimony disproves Abbas's claims

Abbas's claims further oppose first-hand testimony from the attacked men.

Pinhasi Brown, a resident of Esh Kodesh who was among the beaten and abducted men, testified that the attack came as the group was walking from Esh Kodesh to Givat Hayovel. After a stop along the way at the 'khirba', the ruins of an ancient village built by Shimon Bar-Giora over 2,000 years ago, the Arabs started surrounding them.

Brown's testimony reveals the "cultured" Arabs of Kusra didn't just encircle the Jews to teach them morals.

"When we climbed towards the hilltop, a van filled with Arabs approached us," Brown recalled. "The Arabs came constantly - more and more - and outflanked us, throwing rocks at us. We tried to cut through Shvut Rachel, but they surrounded us from three directions."

"Palestinian police vehicles approached us, and the officer who was portrayed [in the media] as protecting us threw stones at us himself," testified Brown. "Two rocks were thrown at me and I was semi-conscious, I believed it would be like the lynching in Ramallah, and if the army came later, there would be twenty bodies."

"Images of my children flashed before my eyes, and I knew that it would be all over in a few minutes," Brown stated. "The Arabs continued to beat us even after the IDF arrived."

An attack spurred by IDF actions and condoned by the media

Brown's testimony is corroborated by that of Aron Katzov, spokesman of Esh Kodesh, who noted that Arabs surrounded them on trucks, and during a harrowing 2 hours attacked and chased them around the hills towards Kusra, trying to kill them.

Katzov further revealed that the IDF's destruction of Jewish vineyards in Esh Kodesh just hours before the attack, using the draconian "Disruptive Use Orders" which allows such destruction without any Arab claims on the land, may have motivated the attack, emboldening the Arabs and causing the Jews to walk between the two communities in reaffirmation of their connection to the land.

Despite the abundant evidence, Israeli police apparently give credence to Abbas's revisionist history of the event, as seven youths from the attacked group were arrested just after the attack, evidently for questioning regarding the Arab claim that they were intending "price tag" vandalism.

Attorney Itamar Ben-Gvir slammed the arrest as "moral bankruptcy" by the police, and further criticized the media's willing collusion in slandering the beaten youth as "vandals."

"People doing 'price tag' (vandalism) don't go in the middle of the day, don't go about without means of defense, and don't do it in a group," argued Ben-Gvir.
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Another Israeli Minister Downplays Kerry's Peace Efforts

ViestiKirjoittaja Annukka » 17.01.2014 09:25

Another Israeli Minister Downplays Kerry's Peace Efforts

Thursday, January 16, 2014 | Ryan Jones

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Just days after Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon caused a diplomatic firestorm by criticizing US Secretary of State John Kerry's "obsessive" and ill-informed Middle East peace efforts, Israeli Finance Minister Yair Lapid seemed to concur that the American might not know what he's doing.

In remarks far more restrained and subtle than Ya'alon's rant in the presence of American officials, Lapid stated in a message to his Yesh Atid party colleagues that the peace process is about separating from the Palestinians, not forging a fantasy-like utopian future.

"Those who are waiting for a defining moment, where the sky will light up in fireworks and people will break into dance at the announcement of peace, simply do not understand how negotiations work in the Middle East," noted Lapid, in what many saw as poke at the constant proclamations from Washington that a historic breakthrough is on the horizon.

Lapid said the problem - which the Americans don't seem to grasp - is that "time after time the Palestinians have proven they are unworthy of our trust."

For Lapid and others in his centrist faction, that also means that Israel must do everything possible to avoid having to absorb four million "un-trustworthy" Palestinians, even give up control of the ancient Jewish lands of Judea and Samaria.

"The time has come to part ways with the Palestinians," Lapid concluded. "Our objective is to reach an agreement that allows us to separate from the Palestinians with maximum efficiency while strictly guarding Israel’s security interests."
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Starving Palestinians in Syria ignored by the world

ViestiKirjoittaja Annukka » 17.01.2014 09:34

Starving Palestinians in Syria ignored by the world

The Yarmouk refugee camp on the outskirts of Damascus has seen its population of over 160,000 shrink to less than 18,000 Palestinians and several thousand Syrian refugees after years of being fought over in Syria's ongoing civil war. Since early 2013, its remaining residents have been under siege, surrounded by hostile groups from both sides who accuse each other of preventing food and medicine from being delivered by aid groups. The Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and the Islamist terror militia Hamas which rules the Gaza Strip are largely ignoring the situation, along with the Arab governments and the many anti-Israel NGOs who often profess deep anxiety about the welfare of the Palestinian people. A protest held outside the office of PA President Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah this week included a sign saying "History will curse us if you allow Yarmouk's people to die of hunger," but there was no official reaction from the PA.

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Oh yes! Only when so called Palestinians are in Israel so the whole world is worried about them! Its quite the same what happens to these people in other countries. Everyone can see this hypocrisy!

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Prosor: UN a tool of Palestinian propaganda

ViestiKirjoittaja Annukka » 17.01.2014 09:50

Prosor: UN a tool of Palestinian propaganda

By JPOST.COM STAFF/MAYA SHWAYDER, JERUSALEM POST C

01/17/2014 01:59

United Nations chief Ban launches "Year of Solidarity with the Palestinians," calling for "viable, sovereign State of Palestine".
Israel's Ambassador to the UN Ron Prosor speaking to the UN Security Council, October 22, 2013.
Israel's Ambassador to the UN Ron Prosor speaking to the UN Security Council, October 22, 2013. Photo: Courtesy UN



Ron Prosor, Israel's envoy to the United Nations condemned on Thursday the UN over its declaration of its International Year of Solidarity with the Palestinian people.

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"The UN is used as a tool in the service of Palestinian propaganda. Instead of trying to end the campaign of Palestinian incitement against Israel, the UN provides a stage for Palestinian productions for the media," Prosor said.


"While the Palestinians seek UN solidarity, they continue to educate an entire generation to hate Israel and deny the connection between the Jewish people to their homeland," he added. "It's time to stop the hypocrisy and ask, where is solidarity with the victims of terrorism in Israel and their families?"


Earlier Thursday, UN Secretary- General Ban Ki-moon launched the beginning of the International Year of Solidarity with the Palestinians.

“This will be a critical year for achieving the two-state solution, bringing an end to the occupation that started in 1967, and securing an independent, viable and sovereign State of Palestine living in peace and security with the State of Israel where each recognizes the other’s legitimate rights,” Ban said in a statement.

On November 26, the UN General Assembly passed Resolution A/68/12 that calls on the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People (UNISPAL) to “organize activities to be held during the year.” In the same week, the General Assembly passed six resolutions concerning Israel and marked the one-year anniversary of the recognition of “Palestine” as a non-member observer state.

UNISPAL has not yet announced the program of events for this year, but said on its website that the International Year of Solidarity with the Palestinians will promote “international awareness... of the obstacles to the ongoing peace process... including the settlements, Jerusalem, the blockade of Gaza, and the humanitarian situation in the occupied Palestinian territory.”

“I call on all members of the international community and, in particular, Israelis and Palestinians, to work together for justice and a durable peace,” Ban said on Thursday.

“Israel and Palestine need to live-up [sic] to their commitment to a negotiated two-state solution and resolve all permanent status issues.”
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We must not wait for someone to be killed on Mount of Olives

ViestiKirjoittaja Annukka » 17.01.2014 09:55

Labor MK Bar: We must not wait for someone to be killed on Mount of Olives

By LAHAV HARKOV

01/16/2014 19:43

Knesset panel calls for higher security on holy site and cemetery in Jerusalem, which has been subject to rock-throwing.
Tourists sit at a lookout point on the Mount of Olives, overlooking Jerusalem's Old City.
Tourists sit at a lookout point on the Mount of Olives, overlooking Jerusalem's Old City. Photo: REUTERS


Police must work to stop attacks on mourners and visitors on the Mount of Olives, the Knesset Interior Committee said Wednesday.

Interior Committee chairwoman Miri Regev called a meeting on the topic in light of a growing number of attacks on Jews visiting the holy site and historic cemetery, which is still in use.

MK Nissim Ze’ev (Shas) said rocks were thrown at him last time he ascended the mountain.

Jeff Daube, head of the International Committee for the Preservation of the Mount of Olives’ Israel Steering Committee and director of the Zionist Organization of America’s Israel office, said after the meeting that the violence comes mostly from teens living in nearby Isawiya and the intensity of rock throwing increases when they are attending school atop the mountain.

“We should guarantee the safety of every visitor and every mourner,” Daube said.

Daube explained that “this is really about sovereignty over Jerusalem and we favor Israel maintaining sovereignty over a unified Jerusalem.

The Mount of Olives is strategically located from that point of view.”

International Committee chairman Harvey Schwartz told the Interior Committee that “world Jewry will not be silent until the situation on the Mount of Olives is quiet.”

Schwartz added that this is not the first time the Knesset discussed this matter, but there was no progress and the police are not sufficiently active in stopping the violence.

“The importance of this site to the Jewish People is tremendous,” MK Hilik Bar (Labor) said. “Hundreds and thousands of people should visit it everyday.”

Bar warned that the police “cannot wait until an extreme case in which God forbid someone is killed. It’s clear that something like that will bring violent rioting.”

MK Avraham Michaeli (Shas) expressed outrage that the law is not being enforced on the Mount of Olives.

“It’s the police’s job to take care of security at the site. If they don’t, we’ll bring in the army,” MK Uri Maklev (United Torah Judaism) said.

Regev closed the meeting by saying she is disappointed in the police.

“I don’t want to reach a serious situation and then have to say ‘I told you so,’” she said. “Whoever does not have respect for history won’t have a future.”

Regev plans to hold another meeting about the Mount of Olives later this year and invite all of the authorities dealing with the issue.
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Amerikkalaisten naivius

ViestiKirjoittaja Annukka » 18.01.2014 10:35

•New House legislation proposed by the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee would make $400 million in annual U.S. aid to the Palestinian Authority (PA) contingent upon the President certifying that the PA among other things "no longer engages in a pattern of incitement against the United States or Israel." Rep. Ed Royce (R-CA) introduced the legislation - which comes amid concentrated efforts by Secretary of State John Kerry to secure a U.S.-backed Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement - and in a statement declared that, as part of those peace efforts, Congress will "make it clear to the Palestinian Authority that continuing anti-Israel incitement to violence through PA-controlled media outlets must cease." U.S. and Israeli diplomats have become increasingly emphatic in criticizing Palestinian leaders for engaging in anti-Israel and anti-Jewish incitement, and a spike in recent violence has been linked in part to speeches honoring terrorists and exhortations toward violence. This week an official PA television program broadcast a song calling on viewers to "pull the trigger" to "redeem Jerusalem." Also in recent days, PA President Mahmoud Abbas was filmed sitting and applauding as Religious Affairs Minister Mahmoud Al-Habbash called on Palestinians to engage in a "jihad in Jerusalem." Abbas himself had only days ago given a fiery speech rejecting Israel's legitimacy as the nation-state of the Jewish people and holding out the promise of Palestinian refugees and their descendants flooding across Israel's borders.
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Australian FM: What Law do Israeli Settlements Break?

ViestiKirjoittaja Annukka » 18.01.2014 10:50

Australian FM: What Law do Israeli Settlements Break?

Friday, January 17, 2014 | Israel Today Staff

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Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop this week continued to demonstrate what is, on the international diplomatic stage, rare support not only for Israel, but for its historic right to this land.

In a must-read interview with The Times of Israel, Bishop said it was wrong for most in the international community to speak of Jewish settlements in Judea and Samaria as "illegal."

"I would like to see which international law has declared them illegal," said Bishop.

Most, including Israel's allies, interpret the Fourth Geneva Convention to mean that Israeli Jews cannot legitimately dwell in the so-called "West Bank."

The relevant article of the convention states that an occupying power is not permitted to settle any of its citizens in occupied territory.

However, numerous legal experts have in the past noted that it is dubious to apply the article to Israel, for several reasons. First, the West Bank was not the recognized sovereign territory of any other nation at the time Israel seized control of it. Second, there is overwhelming historical and archaeological evidence that the area is part, and even the central part of the Jews' ancestral homeland.

But even barring those arguments, Bishop pointed out that the original intent of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process was to not prejudge a negotiated outcome, even in regards to the settlements.

For the world to already condemn the Jewish settlements as "illegal" is a gross violation of that principle.

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ViestiKirjoittaja Annukka » 18.01.2014 11:00

belvidere
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Well done my Dear!!! Its time that "we" in the "WEST" stand Firm for Truth and Not be Swayed or Pressured into erroneous "Political Arguments" for the sake of Political correctness! There was NEVER a "body of people throughout history known as Palestinians that either Ruled or Had Any Legal Claim to the Palestinian region!!!!! Never!! Read the TRUE HISTORY of this Land, going back to pre Roman times, and you will NOWHERE find a mention of Palestinians Ruling at all!!



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Camel jockey > belvidere
• 10 hours ago

Excellent comments, in addition , the word palestinian actually means refugee, so this area was the land of refugees, which came from jordan, syria, ionia, babylon, egypt, it was deserted desert land no one owned......and then the israelites settled it, but we are talking thousands of years ago......im glad we a have a strong government that shows support for israel now.

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foxxybey > Camel jockey
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Have to disagree Arafat first started using the word but he was distorted in his think as it comes from a Latin word.



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foxxybey > belvidere
• 6 hours ago

The Bible is history and predictions and both are correct in every way, belvidere is right and Palestinians is a latin word for Philstinians who were not Arab's but from the Greek Isle's and not Arabs in any way.

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Camel jockey > foxxybey
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Yes correct, what did i say thats wrong ? Maybe im not quite right about some of the nations i listed, however there were immigrants from those nations in later years, but i wasnt disagreeing with any of it. Rather, i was adding emphasis to the word Palestine, or Philistine and better still the use of the word Plishty (Pelishtite) meaning immigrant. Still the land was Canaan, not Palestine.Rome coined it Philistia....the land of the Immigrants.



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foxxybey > Camel jockey
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Friend Camel Jockey, you were right I just wanted to explain where the word came from and hope I wasn't offense in doing so, Your right on your history and the reason Rome did that was insult Jews, you have a great day and a Blessed weekend and we will comment to each other again. Shalom and God Bless:



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Camel jockey > foxxybey
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Hi buddy, not offended at all, I felt maybe I may have said something wrong, but all good....on the same side..... be blessed and shalom....



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belvidere > Camel jockey
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Just woken up here is S A and rejoin discussion, to apologise for the stand that our "gvt" has adopted against Israel too! We have many "moslem" members of Parly in prominent decision making positions in S A our country, and they have had undue influence. Our Gvt dare I use the word "hate" Israel as much as the Moslems and their various splinter groups do,hence their stance against Israel. We who know and believe what Scripture says about Israel and the special place they as a nation hold in GODS plans support them/you without reservation!



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Anushanth
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Atleast one PM stands with Israel. Why the world doesn't understand that Hamas or Abbas is not after peace. They are expecting the Islamic eshcatology to cm true, I mean destruction of all jews. Jerusalem will be the eternal capital city of the earth under Yeshua's reign, O' Israel beleive in Yeshua,the messiah. Praying for Israel. Anushanth - Sri Lanka.



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Joanne Beange > Anushanth
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Canada's prime minister also stand with Israel :-)



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John Duncan > Anushanth
• 13 hours ago








Barak Hussien Osama and John Goebbels Kerry simply want to finish what Hitler stared with the Jews.



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Lea > John Duncan
• 7 hours ago








They got the Marxist, Muslim, Mason agenda.



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Rob > Anushanth
• 15 hours ago








"...Why the world doesn't understand..." They are intoxicated.>>>

Rev 17:1 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here. I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who sits on many waters,
Rev 17:2 with whom the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality, and those who dwell in the earth were made drunken with the wine of her sexual immorality.”



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foxxybey > Rob
• 6 hours ago








The Roman Catholic Church and their false religion who use to murder Bible Believing saints of God.



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Lea > Rob
• 7 hours ago








Something akin to sorcery? Balaam? HAARP, low frequency signals?



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HERACLIUS > Anushanth
• 5 hours ago








THERE WAS THE MESSIAH - ICXC - BUT THE JEWISH AUTHORITIES MURDERED HIM - DO YOU KNOW THIS - THE PROPHICIES OF THE OLD TESTAMENT WERE FULFILLED - AND THE MESSIAH CAME AND WAS KILLED BY HIS OWN PEOPLE - LIKE EVERY PROPHET BEFORE JESUS CHRIST - THE JEWS ARE BLOOD THIRSTY LIKE TODAY



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Floyd > HERACLIUS
• 2 hours ago








When Jesus walked the earth the people loved Him. It was the corrupt Jewish leaders who wanted Jesus dead. His death on the cross was for the sin of the world. He gave His life freely, no one took it from Him. His blood covered all sin, even yours. You can blame the Jews for Christs death all you want, but it was sin that nailed Him to that cross. That includes your sin and my sin.
Now you know, you are just as guilty as the Jewish leaders for Christ death. You can bow your knee before Him now and miss the horror's of hell or you can bow your knee before Him while standing beside the lake of fire before being cast into that lake forever.
The choice is up to you, what will you do with it?



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foxxybey
• 12 hours ago








Israel is breaking no laws by building on their own land and need to take back the Gaza and West bank and built there also.



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Lea > foxxybey
• 7 hours ago








It is actually disputed area, not occupied. For a recent illegal occupation one has to look at the Muslim Occupation of Cyprus.



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foxxybey > Lea
• 6 hours ago








Lea not disputed, it belongs to Israel period, the Arabs have no right to the land in any way, Palistenian is from the latin word for Philistine and the Philistinians were arabs but form the greek islands and not Arab countries so they are lying once again as they are use to doing even in their book and their god says it is okay to lie to infidels and they do it all the time and can't be trust at any time as their book and god say don't make a pact for more then 10 years and then only to rearm and fight again, their god is satan and all that they do, they do for him. Think when they blow themselves up they will meet allah and they will because someday he will be in Hell also.



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Lea > foxxybey
• 5 hours ago








I agree with you 100%. It is worthwhile taking a look at Cyprus. It highlights the hypocrisy of the international community as well as that of the EU when it comes to the BDS thing, and brings the focus on an illegal occupation and theft of land and property, rape genocide apartheid border etc etc etc by Muslims.



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foxxybey > Lea
• 5 hours ago








I agree and the UN out of the U.S. and the U.S. out of the UN sure would help alot. God Bless Lea;



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elliotthelen12860@gmail.com
• 12 hours ago








Julie Bishop, Great, You Are Correct, Well Done!!!!



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Fidel Eviota II
• 14 hours ago








…God kept Israel as the apple of His eye.(Deuteronomy 32:10)

…for he who touches Israel touches the apple of God’s eye (Zechariah 2:8)



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foxxybey > Fidel Eviota II
• 6 hours ago








The down vote has to be from a evil, demonic Islamist who worships a false god.



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AW > Fidel Eviota II
• 4 hours ago








Yes, our God is the same yesterday, today and forever. And that being said,
"For I will defend this city [Jerusalem]to save it for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake." Isaiah 37:35
He will CONTINUE to defend it as He has said!
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem!



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Fidel Eviota II > AW
• 2 hours ago








Amen and Amen!



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MindWatcher
• 14 hours ago








The ignorant EU belongs to the Arabs anyway. All these countries are awash with immigrants from all over the Arab world, and now, they are controlling the EU legislatures and dictating their old chaotic rules and defying democracy for Sharia law. If they want to follow their own rules, then they should go back to where they came from and dictate from there, but unfortunately, they are already in Western Europe thanks to stupid immigrations laws to appease the oil suppliers. Thus, the EU sucks and in the process, they are biased against Israel and pretend to "follow International Law" and in the end, they will loose not only their freedom to Sharia Law, but their freedom which is only found in a democratic system of law, not antique rules of the beyond....



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Kiwi
• 11 hours ago








Bravo Bravo!! This world, as we know, is led by racist bigots whom have no understanding of a. History and b. The Scriptures, both of which confirm that this land Israel is named after who? Israelite's whom settled in this land. Beit Lechem, Judea, Samaria are Hebrew names not the names of pagan dwellers or Arabs (same thing), the descendants of Yishmael or even the brother Esav but those descended from Ya'akov / Yisrael. Archaeology has proven without a doubt this land belongs to Am Echad (One People) and will in the future be the home of only one people. The western world including NZ run by elitist John Key are too busy running our country / human rights into the ground on behalf of the IMF and Obama so you will never hear any support for his homeland. This world is run by sodomites and Edomites whose only goal is to squash Yah's people. They are fitting a lost cause!



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Word of Power Ministries, Sri
• 15 hours ago








.'...I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you..... Gen 12: 3
Adoni Elohim will surely keep his WORD ! He is Yahweh, GOD Almighty who keeps His covenant.
Australians you are sure to be blessed..!!



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John H.
• 12 hours ago








Hooray ! ! ! WHAT international law makes them illegal???? The land belongs to God! He promised it to Israel! What is the 4th Geneva Convention compared to God's Word?



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Papagord
• 10 hours ago








Good for you Julie Bishop, thank-you for standing up for the truth and I hope it reaches the world stage.



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DenisV
• 13 hours ago








Few people seem to be aware that all the land west of the Jordan River was legally assigned to the Jewish people over 90 years - and unfortunately even this article fails to mention that fact.

This happened by three international laws passed by the League of Nations - the San Remo Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and the France-British Boundary Convention that defined all the borders of the Middle Eastern countries. These are legally binding, and are upheld by Article 80 of the UN Charter that recognizes all previous international agreements.

Supporters of Israel need to be more aware of these facts. A quick way to learn about it is by searching for a recent article, "Israel's Sovereignty in Palestine". And I recommend an excellent US$10 e-book from Amazon called "The Jewish People's Rights to the Land of Israel", which explains it very clearly.



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Lisa Pia
• 11 hours ago








Bravo bravo!!



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Ohad Fass
• 11 hours ago








Solute to this lady. And PM Stephen Harper of Canada. What a nobel man.



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Dr. Jim Heyman
• 2 hours ago








Though a liberal, she was brought up as a Christian. Very refreshing to see someone who knows the facts and thinks without PC prejudice.



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Scott David Lucas
• 10 hours ago








A reformed Israeli that has been reconciled to The Heavenly Father, through His beloved Son YAHSHUA, says, AMEIN. Attention: There are no settlements in Israel. They are communities and residents. Thank you.



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AW > Scott David Lucas
• 4 hours ago








Hey Scott...I'm one, too! Reformed Israeli, one who was scattered but returning to the Father like the prodigal son! And someday, we'll be gathered from the four corners of the world to once again inhabit the Land He promised to Israel and Judah!



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fine,whatever
• 11 hours ago








This is a little off topic, but I sincerely think it might be of interest. UNESCO has cancelled, at the last minute, an exhibit on the relationship between Jews and Eretz Yisrael at the request of the Arab nations. You can read more about it here, http://www.algemeiner.com/2014... (sorry to link to different site here, no offense is meant.) Shalom



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John Vagabond > fine,whatever
• 10 hours ago








...and the reasons given for cancelling are concerned with 'offending' the sensibilities of others. To whom, I wonder, does this refer?



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